Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 19:17:11 +0100
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Test
Test
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 19:26:56 +0100
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Test
Test
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 19:36:02 +0100
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: another test
yet another
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 19:40:58 +0100
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: test
test
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 01:58:40 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <mehhome at earthlink dot net>
Subject: Re: x-headers and auto-response
To all Eudora Pro users: have you downloaded the public 3.0 beta? Try to
click in a column on a message in a mailbox window with the option key
down? :-) Steve Dorner is indeed a kind person.
At 19:50 -0400 4/23/96, Jerry "ThaWiz" Thompson wrote:
[Re: AIMS 1.1 has been released]
>This may sound kinda of stupid, but how can I generate those "X-?" messages
>that I sometimes receive as part of the header for this mailing list.
At 10:28 +0100 4/24/96, James Berriman wrote:
>Thes are inserted by AutoShare, the application which runs the list.
An unreleased version 1.0.2, that is ;-)
At 19:50 -0400 4/23/96, Jerry "ThaWiz" Thompson wrote:
[Re: AIMS 1.1 has been released]
>Also, is there anyway to setup an auto-reply for any email sent to someone
>at our domain which does not exist using AIMS. Currently, a person
>receives a bunch of codes and STMP mumble-jumble (no disrespect to the
>techies), from their particular mail daemon about the error. It would be
>nice to have something more customized so that some type of correction can
>be made on the sender's side.
At 10:28 +0100 4/24/96, James Berriman wrote:
>Again, you can do this with AutoShare. Set up forwarding for to
>an AutoShare auto-response account.
I have never actually used the '' account, but it seems right.
At 10:57 -0400 4/24/96, Jerry "ThaWiz" Thompson wrote:
>I just downloaded AutoShare (great program),
Thanks. That's nice of you to say that. Just a late nite hack, you know :-)
> and I set it up correctly...
A scriptable AIMS would come in rather handy here...
>In AIMS, I tried to setup the "" account to forward to a newly
>created account called "Mail-daemon." This "Mail-daemon" account then goes
>to AutoShare and the reply back to the user looks like this:
[...]
> To: JThompson at directhit dot com (Jerry "ThaWiz" Thompson)
> From: someone at directhit dot com (by way of Mail-Daemon at directhit dot com)
I can see from the "by way of" that you have downloaded 1.0. Version 1.0.1,
the so-called "fixed" version released a week later, moves the original
sender address into the X-Sender field in the RFC header, when the address
of the sender in the envelope differs from the address of the 'From' in the
RFC header. I remember a discussion with Jason Snell about something
similar.
>It still contains the old and incorrect name of "someone@directhit dot com"...
>Maybe this is just a feature of AIMS. Could it be changed? Or should I
>direct this query to the AutoShare list?
The AutoShare list is surely a fine place for this topic. This response has
also been posted to this list, so *please* pick up the thread from there.
At 18:25 +0100 4/24/96, James Berriman wrote:
>Now would seem to be the appropriate time to announce that we're starting
>a new AutoShare-Talk list. Mark M. Levinson will be announcing this to
>members of the existing list very shortly.
>
>To subscribe, send a message to autoshare at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk with
>
>sub autoshare-talk
>
>in the body.
Thanks to James Berriman - and to Mark M. Levinson who did it for the past
half a year!
At 18:25 +0100 4/24/96, James Berriman wrote:
>AIMS stores the original sender and recipient of filed messages in a pair
>of resources (even if the message was forwarded to another account).
>AutoShare uses those resources to create the reply. I expect that Mikael
>could be persuaded to look into this :-)
The "STR#' and 'STR ' resources, in both cases 8192 per the AIMS standard,
make up the invisible envelope of the mail message. If the envelope differs
from the RFC header, the envelope wins. AutoShare upholds this distinction
between the two.
In AutoShare auto-replies, The 'From' and 'To' in both the resources (the
envelope) and the RFC header (the visible message) are swapped. This means
that the *original* envelope sender becomes the new envelope recipient, and
AIMS goes by the envelope when sending.
For further information, see the AutoShare Documentation: 'How to install
AutoShare' about 'E-mail header' or 'Loop detection and elimination'.
This is as far as I recall, so bear with me... In any event, you can check
the file in the 'Incoming Mail' folder (using, say, SimpleText and ResEdit)
after AutoShare has processed the message file and before AIMS sends it
(unless you are very fast, you will need to have only one of the two
programs running at the same time to fetch the file for manual inspection).
At 12:37 +0000 4/24/96, Peter Leppik, EOE wrote:
>Not only COULD you, but you BETTER.
>
>The error message above (with the bad "From:" address) is guarenteed to
>start a mail loop, should a nonexistant address become subscribed to a
>mailing list--or if someone who was subscribed to a mailing list loses
>his/her account on your machine before unsubscribing.
>The problem is that most mailing list software (except for moderated lists)
>will accept any message from a legitimate subscriber, and send it to the
>entire list. The above error message would appear to be from a legitimate
>subscriber, and it would get sent to the entire list--including the bad
>address. This will generate another error, which will get sent to the
>entire list, and so forth until every mailbox between here and Timbuktu is
>full.
No no no!
AutoShare offers protection based on the 'Precedence' RFC header field with
the contents of 'bulk', see the AutoShare Documentation: 'MailShare and
AutoShare' about 'Vacation service'. Auto-replies will suppressed in this
case, based on the automatic filtering of AutoShare. By the same token,
AutoShare inserts this header field and contents in every listserver
contribution.
Furthermore, the envelope's sender of the auto-reply will be the AutoShare
'bounce' address.
Please follow up on this thread on the AutoShare-Talk list:
listserver address: autoshare at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk
list address: autoshare-talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk
The following is what I would put in the body when subscribing:
subscribe autoshare-talk
set autoshare-talk ack
query autoshare-talk
review autoshare-talk
list
which
Only the first line is needed though.
--
Mikael Hansen mehhome at earthlink dot net
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:13:18 +0100
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: am/pm in date headers
Mikael,
Eudora doesn't understand am/pm in date headers. (See RFC 822 section 5 p.
25. This specifies that times should be in 24h format. I recall Steve
Dorner pointing this out).
The Mac Date and Time control panel allows you to specify 00.00 or 12.00
for mid-day and midnight. I set it for 00.00. Here's part of the header to
a log I just generated.
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>To: listmaster at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk
>From: postmaster at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk
>Subject: AutoShare Report
>Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:36:39 pm +0100
Eudora files this message in my mailbox as arriving at 01:36 am. Not only
does it have am/pm confused, but apparently the +0100 has been incorrectly
added.
I'm going back to the 24h clock again ;-)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:59:29 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <mehhome at earthlink dot net>
Subject: Re: am/pm in date headers
At 14:13 +0100 4/25/96, James Berriman wrote:
>Eudora doesn't understand am/pm in date headers. (See RFC 822 section 5 p.
>25. This specifies that times should be in 24h format. I recall Steve
>Dorner pointing this out).
>
>The Mac Date and Time control panel allows you to specify 00.00 or 12.00
>for mid-day and midnight. I set it for 00.00. Here's part of the header to
>a log I just generated.
>
>>Mime-Version: 1.0
>>To: listmaster at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk
>>From: postmaster at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk
>>Subject: AutoShare Report
>>Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:36:39 pm +0100
>
>Eudora files this message in my mailbox as arriving at 01:36 am. Not only
>does it have am/pm confused, but apparently the +0100 has been incorrectly
>added.
>
>I'm going back to the 24h clock again ;-)
Have addressed this issue in my yet unreleased 1.0.2. Wait and see.
--
Mikael Hansen mehhome at earthlink dot net
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:53:28 +0100
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Re: x-headers and auto-response
Welcome one and all to the new list!
The auto response to idea has been suggested before. I tried it
out here and it certainly works.
I forwarded to an auto-response account called 'unknown', then
sent some mail to my mate John, who doesn't have an email account ;-)
Here's the reply
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>X-Sender: unknown at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk
>To: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
>From: john at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk
>Errors-To: postmaster at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk
>Subject: Test
>Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:33:06 +0100
>
>Your message could not be delivered because the user does not exist on
>this server.
>
>---
>
>Your original message is found below. [snip]
The question is whether the from: header will just add to the recipient's
confusion.
On the other hand, someone expecting a reply from
john at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk is far more likely to read the above than a
message from some anonymous mailbot.
Wouldn't it be neat if AutoShare had /=to and /=from tokens so I could insert
'the user /=to does not exist' in the default file
and get
'the user john at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk does not exist'.
(:-]) James
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 11:58:37 -0700
From: gszabo at centralia.ctc dot edu (Gary Szabo)
Subject: current AutoShare version?
Greetings, folks....having been absent from the list for awhile, I thought
I'd ask what's the current version of AutoShare. I'm using version 1.0
with no problems, but am always looking to the future.
TIA,
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 20:34:40 +0100
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Re: current AutoShare version?
Mikael's working on version 1.0.2 at the moment. It's looking good :-)